So I heard this tune on the radio and immediately had to purchase it (my first foray into Puntumayo as i'm usually not too keen on their releases).... why did i have to purchase it???? Because it is Sabres of Paridise's "Wilmot" done Roma style...yes really. So my question is this, in the liner notes it mentions nothing of Sabres - only that it is a traditional Calypso tune - yes it sounds Calypso - but on all the Sabre's versions it is credited to them. .. Whats the story here???
Its nearly a note for note take on "Wilmot", and given Shantel being a DJ during the 90s it would be impossible to think that he hadn't heard it. Anyways if anyone knows the real origin...please tell. Wilmot is an all time favorite and Shantel's version is awsome too!!!! By the way the whole Gypsy Groove disc is good - maybe i'll give other of their discs a go, ignoring the horrible album covers that turned me off originally.
Its nearly a note for note take on "Wilmot", and given Shantel being a DJ during the 90s it would be impossible to think that he hadn't heard it. Anyways if anyone knows the real origin...please tell. Wilmot is an all time favorite and Shantel's version is awsome too!!!! By the way the whole Gypsy Groove disc is good - maybe i'll give other of their discs a go, ignoring the horrible album covers that turned me off originally.
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 11:39 AMI love these world music forensics threads--thanks Duane! :D
You are right. Both Shantel and the Sabres of Paradise paid homage to the legendary Wilmoth Houdini en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmoth_Houdini , the great calypsonian, and his classic tune "Black But Sweet" which is the catchy calypso riff that we hear on both recordings.
YouTube actually has a great music video of the Sabres of Paradise's Wilmot. Apparently, they disbanded not long after they released this track en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabres_of_Paradise
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 8:09 PMawsome, awsome, awsome!!!! thanks for the lead -- the original is great, I just checked it out -then went looking for it in my Calypso discs.. no luck. Yeah, Sabres did break up not long after morphing into "2 lone swordsmen" but the disc with Wilmot is my favorite (so much so I named my hamster Wilmot.) I have an 10" (maybe 12") single .. anyways its meant for 45rpm but sounds incredible at 33".
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 8:18 PMY'know, I just realized Putumayo has revamped their website www.putumayo.com/ They seem to have segmented their market into World Music and Putumayo Kids respectively, which I think is brilliant. It's great that they are introducing future generations to the joys of listening to world music.
Putumayo compilations tend to target the novice world music audience, but they have been getting very good at selecting tracks imho. The Gypsy Groove comp is a fine example--there are quite a few tracks that are special versions or releases that were previously unavailable in the US market. Kudos to them for mixing in the classics with newer tracks on this collection.
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 10:07 PMyes to the Shantel version, and the comp...
some I'd heard before for sure, but most new,
and as jacques said, some in new clothes...
been listening to the Gypsy Groove a while
now and still diggin it...
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 11:30 PMi've always been bothered by putamayo's logo, "world music - guaranteed to make you feel good!". music is not to make you feel good, it's to make you FEEL. blissful, tortured, peaceful, devastated, joyful, anguished -- music is great because it carries the total human experience.. yeah some of the putamayo discs are cool but it just seems more about marketing than music. -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 1:06 AMHey Note..,et al,
I have to admit the Putamayo new age era "branding" has also turned me off... ( NC- yur point about the feeling spectrum definitely put a finger on one of their annoying factors, but lets hope they don't read this and decide to put out a compilation of anguished music ; ) ...so i don't often pick them up ... but looks like i'll have to get the gypsy groove cause i'm really into finding good electronicized ethnic music and currently the balkan region in particular...
w/ shantel and sabres sounds like it has potential , although the romani and balkan territory is really ripe for richer experimentation...
and putamayo is so focused on pleasing the mainstream i expect it's all in the safe zone..
btw if anyone;s got some info on farther and harder tweaked roma beats from the east , would love to know about em ...
i heard a few recently in germany, but wasn't able to get the names and it was vinyl-only stuff, which i didn't have the time or space to deal with unfortunately.
salut,
pod
p.s. on a positive note about putamayo, i met a few years back the woman who focused on the children's direction of the label, and i have to say if your gonna captalize on this world music market at least they're bizness players who are finding ways of puttin it back into social action ! can't remember if that was her vision or she was hired for the label to go in that direction... but pretty cool use of world music and i think they're getting it into schools. and wow, she had a pretty dream job!
but as far as packaging and liner notes maybe they could learn a lot from :
www.asphalt-tango.de/
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 1:52 AMAsphalt Tango are definitely one of the labels to watch for the latest in Romany and Balkan Brass bands, home to artists such as Kal and Fanfare Ciocarlia (each of whom has a dedicated discussion thread in this tribe :)
I think many on this thread have pointed out what Putumayo has done an excellent job of doing--branding and brand recognition. The typical album covers that Duane mentioned in his original post are instantly recognizable the world over--from the world music racks in an indie music store in Austin, TX, to a news cafe in South Beach, Miami, to the shopping tent at WOMAD Singapore.
Some of my earliest Putumayo acquisitions over a decade ago have been titles such as Latino Latino and Afro-Latino. Back then, in the early 90s, they were the main compilations catering to a world/international music audience. Being a big fan of Latin tropical music, I would buy individual albums and compilations released by legendary labels such as Fania, RMM, Th-Rodven, but the compilations that Putumayo put out shone the light on many early world acoustic fusion bands, often based in L.A. or elsewhere, that had an interesting fusion sound, compared to the Sergio George-produced Latin hit of the moment. In this way, they have been instrumental for leading the way for many of these bands to be heard by a wider audience other than their local live music venue.
One of the last Putumayo compilations I bought was World Reggae which featured everybody from Apache Indian to Alpha Blondie, among many lesser-known acts. As world music (including world beat, fusion, and electronica) underwent a renaissance this century in terms of output and demand, it has become easier to source new music on many a label, imports via specialised online ethnic stores, digitally, and direct imports (even with the pound and euro at all-time highs). I still visit the Putumayo website regularly to check out their latest compilation release, and while I often find that I already own most of the tunes on the tracklist, I know that there are legions of world music fans out there who will be grateful for that compilation.
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 10:52 AMI deffinately agree with the good and bad points about putumayo - there had been a few comps that I had been tempted to purchase in the past because of one or two tracks seemingly unavailable elsewhere (at least on US releases,) they have always appeared to be good introductory discs to certain "types" of music.
But I was always really turned off with the covers (superficially) but the the whole concept of "world music to make you feel good" sort of thing, I regarded it much like Pier 1 imports - kinda a homoginized representation of diversity, i jokingly refered to them as the 'happy brown people albums' , something to sell at coffee shops and fair trade stores. But I deffinately understand that they are well intentioned and I am very happy to know about them getting them into school programs, any way to open kids (or adults) to knew things is great!!! Opening new horizons is laudable no matter what the branding is.
While we are on the topic, what are other favorites for compilation lables? We get asked in our shop all the time about the music we play but rarely are people ready to take the plunge into full length of disc of Molam tunes. They usually prefer to have the "introduction" before they go futher. We've got a few rough guides, some good, some just Ok ... we've got a few from the Musique du Monde series (my appologies if I misspelled that).... Any other ideas???? Especially with good liner notes. -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 11:19 AM<what are other favorites for compilation lables?> <Especially with good liner notes>
One of the compilation series I usually recommend is a couple titles from the "A Night In.." series released by Manteca/Union Square Music UK. Compiled by world music DJ Phil Meadley, they typically include two discs (last time I checked, retailing in the US for under $20, so it's quite a bargain) with the first showcasing more traditional artists, and the second more cutting-edge, fusion, electronica. As a lover and dj of world music, Phil Meadley also meticulously fills the liner notes with quintessential info about the artist and the track. A few faves in this series with regard to track selection include Istanbul, Marrakech, and Barcelona
www.unionsquaremusic.co.uk/genre_cat.php
As part of Shisha Sound System, Phil Meadley has also teamed up with DJ Una Musica Brutal on their current project, the Beginner's Guide To... series
www.demonmusicgroup.co.uk/nascente
These compilations are more in the world music in clubland vein, each containing three cds that reflect different moods of world fusion music, from downtempo to dancefloor fillers. Again, the liner notes are concise and descriptive as these guys obviously have an ear for world and world fusion music. I bought the Buddha Lounge one (a tribute to Claude Challe's Buddha Bar series) and Arabian Lounge, and just ordered Tango Lounge on account of a couple of previously unsigned and unreleased Argentinian artists on it :)
Also, not to forget our other homegrown world music and fusion label that is Six Degrees
Records who recently celebrated their 10th anniversary www.sixdegreesrecords.com/home.php Home to many a world fusion icon such as Cheb i Sabbah and Azam Ali, they are also known for their Traveler series, including theme-specific ones such as Asian Travels, Latin Travels, etc. The first Six Degrees compilation that I bought was Asian Travels 2 (I have since also purchased vol. 1 :) and the most recent was Latin Travels 2. This is the label to look up when searching for cutting-edge world fusion music. -
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Re: Shantel - Bukovina from new Gypsy Groove CD
Tue, May 1, 2007 - 9:36 PMI still think that the two Electric Gypsyland compilations (put together by the fine folks at Crammed Discs) are the state of the art in cutting edge Balkan/Gypsy/Electronica fusion. To my ears it doesn't get any better than great producers like Shantel, Bigga Bush, DJ Dolores and Mercan Dede remixing Taraf de Haidouks and Kocani Orksestar. Shantel's own Bucovina Club comps are also excellent. I highly recommend any of these as jumping off points for further Balkan explorations -
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 10:09 PMAnd the first Electric Gypsyland, of course, licensed by Six Degrees for domestic US release. Shantel's Bucovina Club (with bonus disc) contains now-classic numbers such as Mahalageasca Dub and Ya Rayah, and artists such as Fanfare Ciocarlia and Balkan Beat Box.
Speaking of which, the new Balkan Beat Box album has just been released in the EU
www.balkanbeatbox.com/
For all the creative folks out there, there is a BBB remix contest sponsored by the record company and AbletonLive
www.jdubrecords.org/bbbremix.html
Back to the subject of Balkantronica and podp's post, Germany does seem to be an interesting place to pick up stuff, in particular 12" vinyl releases. The recent remixes of Eastenders' Vino Vino and the remixes of Austrian-based group !DelaDap were predominantly in vinyl and digital formats. -
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 3:27 AM...oh and don't forget "Indestructable Balkan Beats" a compilation put together by super UK journalist and Dj Phil Meadley on Union Square. This is for sure my favorite electro Balkan comp. It's even got Siki Siki Baba on it. double thumbs up! -
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 8:18 AMIndeed, Jef, a wonderful Balkan comp from Union Square Music (UK)'s Indestructible Beats series.
Containing many a classic track from Mitsoura, Shukar Collective, and the original album Balkan drum n bass version of Eastenders' Vino Vino.
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Wed, May 2, 2007 - 9:54 AMI really enjoy the Electric Gypsyland discs - the second is nice since it comes with the disc with all the originals as well. Speaking of Taraf de Haidouks, has anyone seen the DVD? Its fantastic if you haven't . I'll have to check out the Shantel Bukovina Club discs.
Any preferences on non-balkan comps, whether untouched or retouched additional production?
Duane
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 1:49 PMI had to spend way too much money importing them to the States, but I highly recommend "Balkan Beats 1" and "Balkan Beats 2" on Eastblok. I have never seen them for sale in the US, but I think their selections are significantly different from what is offered on other compilations.
www.myspace.com/eastblokmusic
I finally had a chance to see DJ Eugene Hutz at the Mehanata Bar in NYC the other week. I recognized a few tracks, but he mostly played hard-driving Eastern-European stuff I've never heard before. Clearly a growing scene with huge potential.
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 2:19 PMGood news for US fans who wish to acquire the Balkan Beats compilations--they are now available via CdBaby Here's more info on vol 2
www.eastblok.de/ebm/index.php
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 8:10 PMAaaaargh. That is so typical. I'm glad it's available a lot cheaper in the States now, but it is so frustrating spending a lot of time tracking something down, and spending a lot of money, only to have it then become much cheaper and more available. I'm sure a lot of people on this tribe who want to have things NOW and not have to wait months or years for a domestic release can relate.
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 8:16 PMSpeaking of NOW, you just know they are gonna come up with a NOW This is World Music compilation one of these daze. LOL ;D
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 8:31 PMWow. You're probably right. Hadn't thought about that possibility before.
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 6:24 AMi found an EP on emusic yesterday called *gypsy beats and balkan bangers*. it's a 4-song volume - the first three songs are mahala rai banda remixes (including a bucovina remix); the fourth track is by shantel great stuff.
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 7:57 AMYes, that ep features the Felix B (of dance outfit Basement Jaxx) and Russ Jones (of UK-based world music dj duo Future World Funk) remixes off the Gypsy Beats and Balkan Bangers compilation album www.atlanticjaxx.co.uk/artist...sy.html
I love the Felix B remix of Bucovina in particular and Russ and Roc Hunter's remix of Mahala Rai Banda's Spoitoresa. The compilation album also features other classics such as N.O.H.A.'s Balkan Hot Step and Fanfare Ciocarlia's take on the James Bond Theme :D
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Tue, May 29, 2007 - 8:44 PMokay, we're getting meta here... have any of you heard the *koshernostra mix* of bucovina?? the credit is Shantel vs. Jewish Monkeys. i found it on emusic, bless them. the instrumentals sound Ricky Martin-esque, and there are vocals that make me think of.... oh, the Squirrel Nut Zippers or some sort of neo-swing style, though with an accent and mildly unintelligible. after about two-and-a-half minutes, it lapses into a vocal-clarinet doina, which leads into an accelerating yid-gibberish oom-pah finale. very wacky and hyper compared to the normal Bucovina! -
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Tue, May 29, 2007 - 10:56 PMYup. it's also available via National Geographic World Music/Calabash
worldmusic.nationalgeographic.com/w...ed
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Wed, June 20, 2007 - 7:51 AMhad the pleassure to see last weekend Shantel and Bucovina club live on stage @ Mundial festival where they did a really great gig. from the first to the last note everybody was dancing and jumping around in the tent. except his own songs (mostly released on the Shantel Bucovina club and Gypsy Beats And Balkan Bangers compilations) they played a few cover versions and new songs. Like day before when Balkan Beats DJ playing the tent was on fire!
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Thu, June 21, 2007 - 2:38 AMI love that Mehanata compilation, in particular Balkan Beat Box feat. Eugene Hutz' rendition of Tromba De Zingari/Yek Dui Trei!
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Tue, May 1, 2007 - 11:14 PM"world music - guaranteed to make you feel good!"
of course that same perception could and perhaps
would have to be applied to endless event/album adverts
seeking to imprint varying conceptual feeling states
on the vibe of the flow...I'm up for the whole sonic prism
of feelings, but sometimes I for sure focus in on the
presentation of a defined framework...as far as marketing goes
tribesters can't even control themselves from advert/sell/
unsolicited buy/attend this that n' everything in uh, topics of
discussion sections rather than the event/listing areas...
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Re: Shantel new album and other recent releases
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:18 AMShantel's new Disko Partizani album drops Stateside tomorrow! Features collaborations with Serbian singer Vesna Petkovic, Boban Markovic's son Marko Markovic, Taraf de Haidouks' clarinetist Filip Simeonov, Greek musician and singer Jannis Karis, Ukrainian DJ/singer Yuriy Gurzhy of Russendisko, Manu Chao's trumpeter Roy Paci, Canadian singer Brenna MacCrimmon, and many, many others with songs sung in Rom, Romanian, Serbian, English, Greek, and Turkish!
www.crammed.be/craworld/crw41/03.htm
Already out from the same label is the Nuit Tsigane album featuring remixes of bands such as Kal, Fanfare Ciocarlia, Balkan Beat Box, among others by DJ Gaetano Fabri, resident of Nuits Tsigane at Parisian club Le Divan du Monde.
www.crammed.be/news/index.htm
Vol. 2 of Gypsy Beats and Balkan Bangers compiled by Russ Jones (Future World Funk) and Felix B (Basement Jaxx) has also been released
www.play.com/Music/CD/4-...Product.html
Audioclips on Russ Jones' MySpace
www.myspace.com/russjones1
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Sun, October 21, 2007 - 9:09 PMcool cool cool.. thanks for the update!!!!
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:35 AMCan I just say how much I love this album--regularly find myself dancing to 12 of the 14 album tracks.
youtube.com/watch
And what about the title track Disko Partizani, a regular number on many a world beat DJ playlist. First time I heard it on the dancefloor was during DJ Anjali's set at the Atlas 4th anniversary bash last year. Most recently--Cheb i Sabbah played it at 1015 Folsom during the Tibetan benefit event.
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 11:42 AMYeah, this has been in my playlist since last August when I got a pre-release 3 track preview. It sounded great on el Circo's soundsystem at Burning Man, when I passed it to Sweet Anomaly during his set some sunny dawn morning late in the week.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 3:43 AMI was thinking of finally passing this year after 12 in a row, but I'm being sucked back in with a friend building the temple, another friend building the center camp archway and a whole bunch of friends building out the groove bomb (converted tri-met bus) to be a massive mobile sound system. So I'm starting to lean towards going back and working on getting Joro Boro down as well. Balkan Beatz will be played on the playa for sure in major ways (and bhangra and reggeaton and dancehall and ...............) ...
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:11 AMThat sounds awesome, Kurt, wish I could join y'all. I will be going instead to a festival up North, a few weeks ahead of BM schedule-wise. I looked at the line-up this year and they have the one day with some of my fave world fusion artists playing from noon to dawn and I said to myself, this is the year to go! :D Not to mention other world music acts performing including this Celtic-Punjabi fusion band whose entire west coast tour eluded me this spring ;)
Great that you're bringing Joro Boro back out west for BM. I loved you guys' tag team sets at the Crown Room when I was there--so happy to finally get to hear you spin (loved that you opened with MC Rai!) and Joro Boro too (having previously missed out on his performance at Atlas)
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 3:41 PMThere is also a BalkanBeats vol 3 - out very shortly anyway. Try also Dunkelbunt, DJ CLicK...and if you haven't covered the Kusturica and Gatlif movie soundtracks check them out. Think of One you will probably also like, also on Crammed.
Besh O Drom, Romano Drom, ...gosh, there is so much.
The Bangers 2 compilation by Russ Jones is more Russian Ska than Balkan or Gypsy. Shantel is a whole other thing which people seem to like.I prefer Bucovina to Disko Partizani. Though they were pretty good live - the woman singing with them stole the show.
Ironically, I am now exploring the Secret Chiefs 3/Estradasphere/John Zorn connection...not Balkan but gypsy/klez/jazzy/craziness.
anyway, I have an unusual amount of Balkan/Gypsy music so bring on the requests for the podcast! :)
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 3:48 PMi just played a party in victoria, bc and boy did they ever freak to the music i played, although i felt like i got stuck in gypsylandia for two hours straight! played tracks from bukovina club, disco partizani, electric gypsylands, balkan beat box, etc etc etc
also loved throwing in a bit of les yeux noir and some klezmer to the mix too (and also hip hop and dub and dubstep!)
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